Schwaggy P's Random Stuff

GthaEnigma said:
It has been awfully quiet in these parts, any interesting projects in schwaggyland?
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Been really busy working on a food forest. I've been growing out a lot of my Skunk#1 looking for the right pair to take it to the next gen. Also going through my other seeds for fun and a non-OG narcotic indica to work.
Here's a Giesel x Schwaggy's Skunk#1
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Hopefully some sedative smoke (Pre'98 Bubba x '80s Black Afghani BX):
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Schwaggy P said:
Hey Nu-Be,
Your characterization of “much different” is too ambiguous. Do you mean one version slightly foxtails vs. another? Or, do you mean one grew into a short afghan forearm cola smelling like rotten garbage? Environment plays a key role in phenotypic expression. Mendel never tried to explain environmental influence on phenotypic expression. Mendel used observation to deduce the patterns of inheritance. His work, which is just the articulation of observable natural processes, suggest the heritability of dominant vs recessive traits, and their expected frequencies. It wasn’t the case that Mendel pulled some opinion together and his thousands of pea plants obliged his unfounded ramblings. Mendel would say that the genotype is the genetic potential blueprint for the phenotypic expressions. They are called Mendel’s BASIC Principles of Heredity, not Mendel’s COMPREHENSIVE FINAL WORD on all things heredity. Would you attack the architect for his use of blueprints for buildings because a shoddy contractor wasn’t too skilled at installing the crown molding in the kitchen? Even the terrible carpenter’s product wouldn’t stray wildly from what the blueprint calls for. His molding might be askew but it wouldn’t be a bench. This slight deviation from the theoretical potential wouldn’t “disprove” the concept of blueprints.

Your attempt at criticism is misplaced as what you question is an issue of varying environments. Mendel’s pea experiments controlled for the majority of environmental factors as it took place in his garden. With these environmental variables mostly controlled, he studied the patterns of inheritance ceteris paribus. That you could say phenotype is further influenced by environmental pressures is not proof that Mendel’s work and the multiple corroborating experiments since are pointless or “wrong” any more than you could say your 4th grade geometry teacher is wrong because their lessons didn’t include multivariate integration as a means of calculating area.

I find it interesting that you have chosen to attack a well-established and highly controlled/corroborated concept of genetics with a handwaving “all my bros totally kept everything exactly the same cuz we used promix” example to try to minimize basic principles of heredity. Did your multiple grows exhaust serious rigor? Did you account for atmospheric pressure at differing elevations of respective gardens? If not, the reduced pressure of your relatively lower lying gardens enjoyed a higher rate of transpiration, resulting in the need for more water and feedings. These more frequent waterings would mean opportunities for soil biota fluctuations from larger hydration swings, more feeding opportunity, humidity microclimate fluctuations within the same garden all exerting pressure on phenotypic expression.

Just because you and a couple buddies used the same medium and light doesn’t mean the environment was exactly the same. Above, I gave the example of atmospheric pressure. Did you and your buddies only grow the Wedding Cake isolated in its own space or were there other plants around? Did one of you take cuts or trim in the same room? Plants release jasmonate (a hormone) in response to tissue damage, thought to reroute growth into defensive compound production which neighboring plants sense and mount chemical responses. This jasmonate has been shown to affect terpenoid compound ratios in cannabis which would result in your group throwing disparate lab results. Why in this case would your assumption be to toss out inheritance theory and not assume there is just some uncontrolled environmental variable?

The heredity illustrated in Mendel’s principles represent how dominant and recessive traits are inherited, that’s it. The difference in how environment impacts the expression is a separate issue. It doesn’t account for environment or epigenetic issues that can further nuance (not transform altogether) trait expression. Your Wedding cake wouldn’t become Landrace Thai because your friend in Canada grew out a cut. It might have a little more purple because the genes coded in such a way that the blurple light he used included the UV diodes which triggered the production of anthocyanin in the Wedding Cake, but it doesn’t transform so wildly that you should just toss out genetic theory.
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Very well said Schwaggy.
 
Schwaggy P said:
GC x Skunky D - Day 58​
Here is my favorite pheno ready to come down. She started with a nice mix of Skunky D funk and GC astringent but at around day 40, was mostly really sharp sour (think Sour D's lime smell) and I was bummed out. She then started funking up again around day 50 and has resettled with a mix of the skunk funk (burnt rubber/hot asphalt/rot) and sharp sour spray. Chem D does this same type of smell progression: starts generically funky, mid bloom starts to smell like dirty diapers, then finishes out with a more garlicky chem funk. I just hope this skunk bouquet sticks around after the dry/cure.

The other observables are solid "skunk" traits I wanted (narrower leaves, high calyx:leaf ratio, quick finishing, better humidity tolerance, double leaf serration, taller apical cola and mid height side branch structure). If the smell stays true, she'll be a great Skunk #1 that actually smells like the stinky skunks you expect when you pop skunk seeds. There's no "sweet" to her and I'd like it to stay that way.

The Skunky D line is great for straight offensive garbage/rot skunks, but this line adds that sharp sour punch that smells like a skunk's spray. I'm hesitant to declare this a Roadkill Skunk because of the almost too good to be true legends that are associated with that name, but this has been the closest population of plants I've grown to actually resemble the descriptions of an RKS. Almost every other skunk I've grown from other sources ends sweet. I'm immediately popping her F2 seeds to find a male and most likely going the BX route to work this line.
The phenos which leaned to the GC all "look" done (browned stigma) while the Skunky D leaners keep pushing fresh stigma. The Skunky D leaners have amber trichomes under the scope but look like they could flower for as long you want to take her (just like Chem D). The Skunky D father performed similarly in the (Giesel x Skunky D) cross that @CoB_nUt grew out.

Nailing the Skunk #1(really the Skunk #2 line that was deemed too smelly and dropped for the Skunk #1) has been my main goal thus far. All of the different things you've seen from me so far were R&D for skunk inputs to get to this point. There was such a differential between the description and memories you'll read concerning what RKS-type skunks "should" be and the skunks you get when you run through all of the old-school skunks (SSSC Skunk #1, Sensi Skunk#1, Mr Nice Shit, The Pure, etc.) that I had to work on making ingredients to get a skunk that consistently stinks like a skunk's spray without losing the traits of a Skunk #1.
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Fantastic stuff there. Think you nailed it, much love for that old school stuff from the 80’s.
 
Been working the Schwaggy's Skunk #1 trying to get the sharp skunk spray nose to pop up in a higher % of phenos. Latest gen threw out a lady with the astringent spray and heavy Chem D stink (pic below). All phenos have been solid plants and I'm getting the least number of duds of any line I've popped. I'm getting lots of B+ and higher phenos that are nicely sticky coated, plenty strong smoke, easy grow/quick flower. The smell has really been the only trait that is the deciding factor in what is being kept.
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damn man looks amazing!
 
Schwaggy P said:
Been working the Schwaggy's Skunk #1 trying to get the sharp skunk spray nose to pop up in a higher % of phenos. Latest gen threw out a lady with the astringent spray and heavy Chem D stink (pic below). All phenos have been solid plants and I'm getting the least number of duds of any line I've popped. I'm getting lots of B+ and higher phenos that are nicely sticky coated, plenty strong smoke, easy grow/quick flower. The smell has really been the only trait that is the deciding factor in what is being kept.
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Yes, yes and yes please.
So glad your doin this .
 
Schwaggy P said:
Been working the Schwaggy's Skunk #1 trying to get the sharp skunk spray nose to pop up in a higher % of phenos. Latest gen threw out a lady with the astringent spray and heavy Chem D stink (pic below). All phenos have been solid plants and I'm getting the least number of duds of any line I've popped. I'm getting lots of B+ and higher phenos that are nicely sticky coated, plenty strong smoke, easy grow/quick flower. The smell has really been the only trait that is the deciding factor in what is being kept.
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Hell's yeah mang, bring on the funk. :skunk::skunk::skunk:
Love seeing your work there, so dang drool worthy. ❤❤❤
When's that one looking to be up for grabs? There's a spot in my garden for some new funk hunts that come looking like that. ???
Love your gear mang. ???
 
JL2G said:
When's that one looking to be up for grabs? There's a spot in my garden for some new funk hunts that come looking like that. ???
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Not sure. So far, my only issue is just getting the stink to be of the right skunk spray spectrum appear more reliably. As it is, you can find them and other great variants in the Schwaggy Skunk #1 F2BX1 that was available last drop. Most of the other traits were pretty worked out in those, just the elusive "skunk" nose is what's proving to be difficult to nail down.

It's one thing to have generically "stinky" plants that can involve fecal, burnt rubber, and rotting type notes but to lock down a very specific bouquet of sour chemical spray with rotting funk is something else. You can find stinky skunks in the F2BX1, but finding the exact RKS nose ,as of now, takes some hunting. I have always been upfront with strain descriptions about what to expect with my lines since it wouldn't make sense to try to sell growers on the promise of something that can't deliver.

I've had phenos that carry the Chem D's dirty diaper and old cheese nose but none of the skunk spray. Other phenos have the nose tingling sharp spray paint astringency of the Green Crack S1 but none of the offensive stink. I've even had some sickly sweet phenos that have a rotting mango smell. What I can say for sure is that my Skunk #1 is much closer to the archetypal skunks people always talk about but you rarely see when you pop most Skunk #1 and end up with fruity plants with meh highs. If/When I get the line to be more reliably RKS-esque, it may be released as Skunk #2 (tipping to the original stinky skunk that was bred away from because of the smell risk). I'd be hesitant to slap RKS title on a line even if it fit because it would invite shit-stirrers like a dinner bell.
 
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